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on just a hair behind schedule today due

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to some technical difficulties prior to

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getting onto the show but mark is here

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with me mark ii there i am here hey art

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how you doing doing well and we have a

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very special guest with us today then i

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guess we should just dive right in to do

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to our tardiness and why don't you

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introduce him and we can say hello and

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jump into a little sugar absolutely so i

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want to introduce everybody to rick

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fryer ricky is the author of a trilogy

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which you can get on amazon.com and

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barnesandnoble.com and book stores all

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around I the trilogy is called the

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peepers and it deals with all sorts of

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incredible science few future science

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fiction science fact is what he calls it

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and and we'll be talking to him today a

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lot about that so I like to welcome Rick

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to the show Rick how are you doing today

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good times guys glad to be here good I'm

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so sorry but I'm sober

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we add yeah well you know uh I was

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having technical difficulties both in

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retrieving some of the information I

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wanted to speak about today from my

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computer which was interesting earlier

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on and I do another business I'm on the

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business broker so I'm often on the web

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so I was doing all sorts of research and

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then every time I tried to gather data

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from the web that that had been lost on

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my computer today and all of a sudden

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would freeze up and it was very

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arbitrary and I could research any sort

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of thing except for for instance the

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Malaysian flight crashes James Holmes

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shootings things of this nature would

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all sudden frees up my computer very

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interesting how then we end the day with

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this little technical difficulty well

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there is a full moon on the day of this

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broadcast here this Wednesday of this

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week so that might have something to do

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with it and I might just have to do with

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the fact that you're getting you're

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putting your foot in pools they don't

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need to be in red I would get though

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also so what kind of things were you

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researching and researching them for the

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show or do you have a new book coming

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out for both upon being aware that I was

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going to be on the show I wanted to bone

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up on some of the key points that I've

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spoken of before both in my book or just

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in general you know you know to talking

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and like and I was also boning up on you

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know the year of bizarre plane crashes

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that have occurred which while they

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peaked my interest extremely last year

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about andreas Lubitz the guy on

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Germanwings who crashed the plane

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supposedly on purpose as some sort of

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kamikaze mission to take out a bunch of

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people with them complain it completely

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inexplicable for the most part you know

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extraordinarily mysterious and

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controversial crashes within one year

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and so I was looking into all that too

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perchance speak upon it today and my

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computer just would not allow me to do

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it nice and say I shouldn't say my

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computer i should say my computer my

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ipad my iphone matter what I looked on

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it would not allow me to research the

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subject well I'm so glad that you wanted

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to bring up this topic of conversation

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because this is something that we

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actually haven't touched much on with

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true thunders yet and it's something

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that I believe we should Andy right it

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is quite the remarkable ex you know set

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of events that have taken place

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especially looking back over the course

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of plane flights and crashes over the

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last 10 15 20 years nothing like this

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has happened yet no no there's there's

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been events where you know there's been

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for instance a plane that got shot down

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over Russia in the 80s on accident

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there's been you know mysterious

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disappearances of planes but we're

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talking about these events usually

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happen at most once per decade and now

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we're talking about for that what would

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that happen within a 12-month period you

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know whether you have the first plane

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crash 370 that you know here's the facts

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the facts are is that someone shut down

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the radar now no one supposes that a

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lightning strike or whatnot destroyed

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all these redundant systems I mean I'm

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open-minded you know both for and again

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so being open-minded I understand that

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there there is a slight chance that some

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sort of catastrophic failure allowed for

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seemingly disconnected elements of the

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plane to all shut down but here's the

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facts and even the average you know

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people that understand the stuff the

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engineers and whatnot they say well this

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it appears that the pilot did it appears

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that the pilot first shut down their

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radar output that tells the world where

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they are and then they shut down certain

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other communication elements that tell

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them other aspects of you know where

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they are how they're doing and they and

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this happened within 20 minutes of each

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other so it does seem to be contrived

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and it does seem to be purposeful

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sabotage

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um however so we don't have any output

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radar from the plane and other things

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but we do have is two things one is the

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military in the area the move the

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Malaysian military was able to pick up

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some radar signatures where first they

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went up to 45,000 feet which is above

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what they're supposed to be able to go

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for that size of plane and then also

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made OV and then they took all these

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sharp turns that seemed inexplicable

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also the engines recorded even more

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intense altitude shifts where they went

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up beyond 45,000 feet and all of a

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sudden douve uh about 40,000 feet within

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one minute and the only thing you know

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the the people can say is well we

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shouldn't believe that because it makes

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no sense okay that is the reason that it

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doesn't make sense because planes are

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generally on autopilot and and a pilot

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does it necessarily control a lot of

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this direction or in this case that

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actually these changes are are actually

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because it's not physically possible

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according to them i mean it's it's very

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much on the verge of physical

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possibility they believe that there's a

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very good chance that the plane should

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have shattered at such a drop especially

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being that it picked up and thoughtful

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let me let me ask you i just want to

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take it a couple steps back your honor

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so so what were you trying to research

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or what what kind of ideas are you

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having about these four planes in the

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past year let go what's not your

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conspiracy i don't want to throw it that

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far but you know what what doing your

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research what kind of ideas are you

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starting to sum up in your head that was

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the cause of this or you know that they

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all have in common well tell you uh the

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vast majority of my writings are

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extremely based around conclusions and

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drawing conclusions that's the essence

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of everything i write i do have to say

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though in this particular case i have no

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exact conclusion all i know is that

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there's something extremely wrong and

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that goes to also the james holmes

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shooting the Sandy Hook shooting there's

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something extraordinaire

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early arrived uh you know things and

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this goes to andreas Lubitz all i know

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is that let's take let's take very

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specifically because we have no evidence

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from the three malaysian flight and by

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the way the third one was a malaysian

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flight it was uh you know connected with

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the Malaysia's they were they were part

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of a parent company with the Indonesian

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flight the third and final wanted last

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year let's just go to andreas Lubitz

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because we have a little more info on

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him we have the recordings for instance

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uh he was in the cockpit they have the

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recordings and they can hear and and

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they can hear a man that is absolutely

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inexplicable in his calmness this they

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did there's absolutely no explanation

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how someone can can maintain the type of

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meditative calmness now those recordings

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are always specifically chanta tuned up

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the person's breathing there that it's a

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very important element to be able to

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hear a pilot's breathing on the black

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breathing they can tune in to the fact

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that needless to say he's not having a

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heart attack or anything like that and

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in fact his breathing is so calm and so

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constant that he is behaving as if he is

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not hearing anything around him no

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matter how much of a sociopath

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psychopath you know how much you're

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trying to tune out things you will

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absolutely have a raise blood pressure

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and heart rate if people are screaming

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in the background as you hear on the on

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the recordings if you're 10 minutes away

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from crashing into a into a mountain and

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and this man doesn't change in any of

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his Diagnostics that can come from that

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recording absolutely absolutely bizarre

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no one can explain it and if any and

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they try to double back and say oh well

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this guy at you know mental issues and

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stuff there's actually not that much of

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a history of mental issues every single

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person that knew this man thought that

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he was a cheerful and good person in

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fact on the black box recordings he was

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shown to be extremely cheerful extremely

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reactive and all sudden just turns off

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and I'm not going to say that that can't

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ever happen I'm just saying that that

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has every marking of a person that has

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fallen into a trance f

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being struck with the trigger and see I

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know anything about those are you

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talking about mind control is that is

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that what you're saying absolutely

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absolutely MK ULTRA style mind control

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needless to say MKL tread never went

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away it didn't have to go away in any

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way shape or form you know the the

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directors of CIA in charge in the 70s

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it's a known fact you know to establish

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back from the Senate hearings that he

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burned thousands of pages just from the

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pages that came out on MK ULTRA it's an

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established fact that the government did

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did experiments on the average civilian

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using a thing from just LSD to just

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simply hypnosis and that they were set

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really successful so it with MK ULTRA

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you know there's a lot of people who

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let's say you are not of the paranormal

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world and you you're not familiar with a

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lot of the stuff and you listen right

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now you'd say mind control that's

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absolutely ridiculous like that's not

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real that can't happen so so what do you

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know and what would you say to somebody

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who who thinks that way um because a lot

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of the people in the paranormal well yes

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and I would I would also ask to is this

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something that's being done remotely via

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human being or is this something that's

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being done locally via device like how

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bad in your speculation how the [\h__\h] you

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even do this well it's actually it could

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be anything I mean that's actually how

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terrifying this is and it is interesting

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uh let me double back to just go from

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trying to explain to the lame man you

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know and I'll first start on stuff

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everyone knows and then i'll go into

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even evidence and then move forward the

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fact is is that we've all heard of

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hypnosis and i believe we've all seen in

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fact my own father was able to be

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hypnotized see a lot of people don't

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even believe that hypnosis a real until

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they see someone they know be hypnotized

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very real very very badly real yeah it's

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real i see yes and I I think honestly

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probably you know fifty percent of the

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lay man has seen someone who may trust

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be hypnotized you know that one of those

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shows or the like or has or have heard

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the story of someone that they trust

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being hypnotized where you know it's not

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like it's something that's that's uh you

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know far out the idea that a person

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can fall into a mental state where they

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are vulnerable to being told what to do

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by someone else and not even know it so

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that's all it is it's a mere extent and

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you know a lot of that a lot of that is

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pure concentration and I can imagine

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that if you're flying a plane and you're

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concentrating and you're just hearing

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the roar the cabin or whatever it might

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be that's almost the perfect state to

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fall into a trance well good point good

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point and there's no doubt that there's

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certain things that allow certain people

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uh to be more vulnerable to it and that

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can include the environment that they're

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in it certainly includes people I'd

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often includes people who are very much

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inside the box uh it doesn't it easily

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hypnotizable people are not people let's

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say like the the the audience here that

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believe in far out things the most

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easily hypnotizable people if you look

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at the CIA records are very inside the

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box people people who trust the

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government who trust the teaching system

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these are just symptomatic of a person

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that's just inside the box they don't

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lightly question things you know it

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makes me think about I remember hearing

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the news reports about the pilot who was

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flying the the Malaysian air flights and

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they said that they went to his house

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and they found flight simulations so

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this is kind of a two-parter for you

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Rick one do you think that running those

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flight simulations which a lot of a lot

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of pilots do I have a friend who's a

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pilot and he loves doing the simulations

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because it's it helps him improve his

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you know how to fly so do you think that

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they maybe they reached out or there's a

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program that they're able to influence

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the flight simulations at home that

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control or something and early on you're

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on top of that on top of that why wild

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okay I'll be honest dog sorry Rick

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you're a little muffled oh can you hear

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me now yeah okay see here's here's

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something and you know I don't want to

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go too far off on this because this is

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pure speculation I wanted to bring up

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first those flight things just to talk

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about it was something i was researching

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and it was far out that

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wasn't able to the computers or whatever

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i was using wasn't letting me get

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through and there is something there big

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time because it's far too suspicious so

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all i have is suspicious evidence i have

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not fully drawn a conclusion so let me

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just say that you know we have we have a

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string of absolutely suspicious events

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that i don't know fully the big

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conclusion but if i were to speculate

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and this goes to 911 this goes to a

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number of things okay it might sound

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silly at first but flight is one of the

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most amazing things that's ever happened

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to mankind what used to take months if

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not years to achieve to be able to go to

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the east coast or you know go all the

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way to Europe from the United States or

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go to Asia or go to Africa or go to

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South America what would take months if

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not years and if you were on the

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shipping lanes would be treacherous

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waters my mother came across from Europe

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on the Atlantic and absolutely

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treacherous waters and they were on a

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modern boat and that boat was listing so

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far that everyone had to get into their

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their life vests and and you know wrap

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the baby up in a special you know

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inflatable little baby basket and they

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were potentially going to have to jump

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into life rafts or or sink and this was

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in the 50s my point is is that travel in

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interaction with other humans that are

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you know far away from you and very

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different has been extremely hard in the

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distant past or I should say honestly

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the recent past now all of a sudden we

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have flight in flight was extremely

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expensive all of them though in the 90s

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we have we have air you know everything

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from the Cold War ending and the peace

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dividend and the quantonium arrow was

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extremely empowering economically to the

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average you know American and all of a

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sudden and people statistically were

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traveling at a rate front you know that

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that had never been seen in human

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history and they were expanding their

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minds they were seeing different people

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and they were they were seeing how

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similar we are which by the way goes to

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my my ultimate conclusion that there's a

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very simple divided between the

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powers-that-be there's the warmongers

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and there's the peacemakers and the

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warmongers needless to say are on the

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side of of bringing us down because

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there is no war fundamentally that ever

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needed to be done and ever achieved

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anything good and and you know that's a

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very spiritual concept for the most part

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but uh if you actually look at it

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logistically there's a lot of reason to

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believe that you know from intelligence

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being a mitigator of war you know in

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terms of intelligence operation so all

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right with the foot oh yeah let me let

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me reel you back real quick so um so

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what was the point about travel so the

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point then is is that guess what I know

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people that haven't flown since 911 no

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joke because they're afraid the

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terrorists terrorists are going to take

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control the plane and the Bush

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administration always Rose those orange

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and red stripes also no one flying on

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planes and and and then it you know guy

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you know some imbecile jumps on a plane

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with a bomb in his underwear no one's

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going on plane someone has a bomb in

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their shoes and try to light it with a

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match no one's going on a plane you know

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uh if I had to speculate and I and I

461
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made it clear that does pure speculation

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i merely know that those four plane

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crashes in the past 12 months or just

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we're just way beyond coincidence but if

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i had to speculate i have seen a pattern

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where the ugly powers-that-be do not

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want us to fly do not want us to travel

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do not want us to be exposed to

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different human beings because if we are

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doing that we are expanding our mind

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beyond anything that can expand your

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mind traveling to far in distant land

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and seeing people from the government

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the ugly government not all the

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government wants us to bomb and kill

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that if I had to sum it up there that

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that's my speculation on that all right

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already there yeah i'm here i'm just

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taking all that in that's quite a bit of

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information it is loaded yeah it's quite

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it's it's an astronomical now and

482
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clearly yeah this is something that Rick

483
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you are heavily involved with in

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researching and just in fascination

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alone it's become

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of yours clearly hey let me ask you a

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question when when the first malaysian

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crash happened that really got everybody

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up in arms and then you know

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subsequently there's been another one

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and another one another one then it's

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been less and less pressed as time has

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gone on did you immediately know that

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this was not a typical cut-and-dry news

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story as soon as that happened and as

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the week's went on were you just proving

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yourself more and more right or is this

498
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was this kind of a slow build for you to

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in your and your interest in it as you

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saw or more details or lack thereof

501
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really coming in oh I would have to say

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uh I it didn't become a real thing for

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me come partner until uh 17 that was

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blown up over a Ukraine and I became

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fascinated i was i was interested i was

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like well you know just like every other

507
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person i was just fascinated i honestly

508
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didn't do much research into how bizarre

509
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the radar findings were until you know

510
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flight 17 happen and then i said i was

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like okay this is weird to malaysian

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flights go down in the most bizarre uh

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you know potato honestly it's not that

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far to say these might be the two most

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bizarre uh you know crashes at the very

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least in this appeared here obviously

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disappearances because we don't know

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necessarily if they if they did crash

519
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you're not well 17 there's enough

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evidence potentially to say the crash

521
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absolutely because you know people saw

522
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blow up people you know we do have some

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of the stuff you know albeit the russian

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government didn't want to let us have

525
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all that and by the way i'm not anti

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Russian at all on that statement that's

527
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a whole nother ball game to talk about

528
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what they may have not been anxious to

529
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let them do it so but the point is is I

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do believe 17 was shot down by a missile

531
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but that does not happen one but once

532
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every maybe 30 years so there's really

533
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not much evidence of it ever happening

534
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before the eighties so Rick it's it's

535
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evident and I mean I think everyone

536
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listening right now can totally hear

537
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your passion and is this a type of its

538
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kind of step back away from from even

539
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this and to kind of move into the

540
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creative part of

541
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of what you do it is this what you do

542
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you do a lot of research about

543
00:22:23,499 --> 00:22:22,129
particular things that is it and then

544
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:23,509
you write about them is it something

545
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:26,210
that moves you or X you that sort of

546
00:22:32,139 --> 00:22:28,730
forces you to create and and that's what

547
00:22:34,570 --> 00:22:32,149
you and that's what you do because your

548
00:22:36,970 --> 00:22:34,580
first series your first book is a lot

549
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:36,980
about biomimicry and for those who don't

550
00:22:42,609 --> 00:22:40,129
know what biomimicry is it's a basically

551
00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:42,619
science imitating life is that correct

552
00:22:50,289 --> 00:22:45,769
yeah but exactly what is bio mimicry

553
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:50,299
yeah so um and and the concepts of those

554
00:22:55,330 --> 00:22:53,570
books are are fascinating and for those

555
00:22:58,930 --> 00:22:55,340
of you listening right now you can check

556
00:23:01,749 --> 00:22:58,940
on amazon.com barnesandnoble.com you can

557
00:23:05,249 --> 00:23:01,759
type in the keepers World War three and

558
00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:05,259
you will find Rick's trilogy the keepers

559
00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:09,320
so so it's you know that and I really

560
00:23:12,999 --> 00:23:10,940
want to talk about some of the science

561
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:13,009
that is in your first book because we

562
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:14,809
can talk about DARPA we can talk about

563
00:23:19,989 --> 00:23:18,169
Google how that influenced a lot of what

564
00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:19,999
you wrote and then to see some of these

565
00:23:23,889 --> 00:23:21,830
things actually happen you kind of

566
00:23:25,509 --> 00:23:23,899
called it that's that's what I find so

567
00:23:29,379 --> 00:23:25,519
fascinating about your books is you

568
00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:29,389
write this this fiction but then you can

569
00:23:34,239 --> 00:23:31,220
kind of see the developments in years to

570
00:23:36,249 --> 00:23:34,249
come exactly what it is that you're you

571
00:23:39,099 --> 00:23:36,259
know talking about so with this stuff

572
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:39,109
about the Malaysia plane flight is this

573
00:23:43,330 --> 00:23:40,970
a book that you're working on right now

574
00:23:45,789 --> 00:23:43,340
or is this just overall research you do

575
00:23:50,409 --> 00:23:45,799
for a potential idea down the road oh

576
00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:50,419
yeah well I am I am led to a creative

577
00:23:56,590 --> 00:23:53,929
story via my research I am driven to

578
00:24:00,340 --> 00:23:56,600
research it's a passion of mine I am

579
00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:00,350
driven in general to you know it's

580
00:24:08,049 --> 00:24:04,100
cliche know the truth more than the

581
00:24:09,580 --> 00:24:08,059
average person and it often then drives

582
00:24:11,019 --> 00:24:09,590
me to have a story I don't know what the

583
00:24:14,649 --> 00:24:11,029
story would be out of this I'm sure

584
00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:14,659
there would be one in general out of all

585
00:24:21,789 --> 00:24:18,200
my research and you know needless to say

586
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:21,799
you know about two decades worth I have

587
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:24,369
come to a multi-layer approach of

588
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:28,970
reality now my my keepers trilogy

589
00:24:32,919 --> 00:24:31,010
did not approach uh the

590
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,929
extra-terrestrial elam at least not the

591
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:35,200
intellect you know intelligent life

592
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:37,010
extraterrestrial and it did of course

593
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:39,530
have extraterrestrials in it but that's

594
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,970
a different story um but also historical

595
00:24:48,779 --> 00:24:46,159
the historical conspiracy and that's a

596
00:24:50,830 --> 00:24:48,789
cliche thing too but it's an apropos

597
00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:50,840
concept it's it's all the grand

598
00:24:55,419 --> 00:24:53,809
conspiracy extraterrestrial layer which

599
00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:55,429
is the old well I should say the

600
00:24:59,529 --> 00:24:57,830
spiritual layer is the final layer but

601
00:25:02,919 --> 00:24:59,539
if you're a theistic then it's the

602
00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:02,929
extra-terrestrial layer the historical

603
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:05,900
layer and that goes back eons and eons

604
00:25:10,450 --> 00:25:08,390
but let's start Atlantis which was

605
00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:10,460
absolutely true and there's so much

606
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,830
archaeology archaeological evidence to

607
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:14,720
support that and I'm not talking about

608
00:25:20,909 --> 00:25:17,450
some far-out necessarily concept but but

609
00:25:22,930 --> 00:25:20,919
pretty far out uh you know internally

610
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:22,940
let's talk about everything because I

611
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:24,770
think Atlantis I mean for me anyways is

612
00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:26,450
a hot topic I mean should I could talk

613
00:25:29,049 --> 00:25:27,950
about it last for hours and hours and

614
00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:29,059
i'm sure that goes for a bunch of other

615
00:25:33,730 --> 00:25:30,830
people and you know there's been these

616
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:33,740
weird every so often maybe every two or

617
00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:36,110
three years every three or four there's

618
00:25:39,549 --> 00:25:38,120
this peppering of Atlantis news stories

619
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:39,559
that pop back up in the news and has

620
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:40,730
something but discovered about last

621
00:25:44,970 --> 00:25:43,130
people want Atlantis you know to be real

622
00:25:47,529 --> 00:25:44,980
what is it that's stopping us from

623
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,539
arriving to the point of like exposing

624
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,039
Atlantis for being something that

625
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,679
actually did exist oh well that's a

626
00:25:55,870 --> 00:25:53,840
simple simple answer it's the powers

627
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,880
that be well I should say again the ugly

628
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,960
powers that be because there are

629
00:26:01,210 --> 00:25:59,360
absolutely powers of white that are

630
00:26:05,950 --> 00:26:01,220
helping us otherwise we've all be dead

631
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:05,960
meat and and you know you know you saw

632
00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:08,210
I'll drop down to Atlantis as a real

633
00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:10,070
quick drop down start first with the

634
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:11,539
extra-terrestrial we're in a covert

635
00:26:16,659 --> 00:26:14,510
proxy war and just like all proxy wars

636
00:26:18,190 --> 00:26:16,669
were fought between two powers now

637
00:26:20,350 --> 00:26:18,200
forget who's the good guy and who's the

638
00:26:22,210 --> 00:26:20,360
bad guy ultimately it's irrelevant just

639
00:26:24,669 --> 00:26:22,220
like Vietnam I mean I love America

640
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:24,679
ultimately you know but yeah I think

641
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:26,510
it's a great country and honestly I'm

642
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:28,610
not I wasn't that down on the Soviet

643
00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:30,890
Union it's a very nuanced debate but the

644
00:26:35,049 --> 00:26:33,320
point is they were horrific to everyone

645
00:26:36,850 --> 00:26:35,059
who got caught in between them the

646
00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:36,860
Vietnamese would say you know we

647
00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:38,870
slaughtered millions of them doesn't

648
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,340
mean we're nice so it back at the point

649
00:26:45,340 --> 00:26:42,559
of it is that objectively speaking

650
00:26:47,259 --> 00:26:45,350
yeah totally objective we're not

651
00:26:49,299 --> 00:26:47,269
necessarily bad but subjective lead to

652
00:26:51,789 --> 00:26:49,309
the Vietnamese we're horrible at least

653
00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:51,799
during that period and that's like us

654
00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:54,350
caught between an extraterrestrial proxy

655
00:27:00,159 --> 00:26:57,529
war and it's mainly and in a covert

656
00:27:02,409 --> 00:27:00,169
espionage proxy war where that where

657
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:02,419
they're trying to drive us to kill

658
00:27:07,389 --> 00:27:04,610
ourselves in so many words so that we

659
00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:07,399
don't rise to a point that we join the

660
00:27:11,739 --> 00:27:09,830
ranks of the you know for lack of better

661
00:27:14,019 --> 00:27:11,749
word galactic nations it sounds silly

662
00:27:16,389 --> 00:27:14,029
but I could go on for hours about that

663
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,399
but let's go drop down to Atlantis the

664
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:18,559
point is is that there was a point in

665
00:27:25,899 --> 00:27:23,210
time where humankind was reaching a

666
00:27:28,899 --> 00:27:25,909
zenith now this has happened a multitude

667
00:27:30,609 --> 00:27:28,909
of times and every single PI agreed that

668
00:27:32,649 --> 00:27:30,619
the human race is like time and time

669
00:27:35,649 --> 00:27:32,659
again risen and fallen timbers and falls

670
00:27:40,779 --> 00:27:35,659
yeah well as you know we got the story

671
00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:40,789
to some degree as in terms of very put

672
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:43,759
into a structure from Plato and Plato

673
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:46,129
that was his exact words as that

674
00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:48,049
humanity has constantly going through

675
00:27:52,779 --> 00:27:50,360
phases where it's reached a period of

676
00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:52,789
wisdom and then all of a sudden boom

677
00:27:56,379 --> 00:27:54,590
crashed down to being an infant again

678
00:27:58,090 --> 00:27:56,389
and forgets everything that was that was

679
00:28:00,730 --> 00:27:58,100
exactly his point of telling the story

680
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:00,740
of Atlantis was talking about this grand

681
00:28:06,369 --> 00:28:03,529
time and to digress on that first split

682
00:28:08,109 --> 00:28:06,379
second his one of the biggest point to

683
00:28:11,159 --> 00:28:08,119
that story was that Atlantis went to war

684
00:28:14,289 --> 00:28:11,169
some grand world war and because of that

685
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:14,299
their civilization fell both from

686
00:28:19,060 --> 00:28:17,690
logistical both from losing that war but

687
00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:19,070
you know it's very nuanced reason why

688
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,830
they lost that war what they lost that

689
00:28:26,139 --> 00:28:23,840
war the moment they started that war so

690
00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:26,149
to speak and then of course they were

691
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,240
damned by God so to speak the gods in

692
00:28:34,659 --> 00:28:32,240
his words uh in terms of having their

693
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:34,669
their home nation collapse on they need

694
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:37,490
to see but his fundamental point was

695
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,220
that humanity had risen and fallen time

696
00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:43,279
and time again and one of the biggest

697
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:44,990
reasons why was because of our violent

698
00:28:50,529 --> 00:28:48,799
nature and and because of war and hubris

699
00:28:53,409 --> 00:28:50,539
which music is that what do you think

700
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:53,419
has happened to Atlantis absolutely that

701
00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:55,190
well that's what Plato said and that's a

702
00:28:58,270 --> 00:28:56,360
good starting point and

703
00:29:01,690 --> 00:28:58,280
absolutely everything shows that and and

704
00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:01,700
I I could okay let's start on that just

705
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:04,760
just let's go back okay so the fact of

706
00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:07,010
the matter is as a humanity

707
00:29:11,770 --> 00:29:09,280
comprehension of history is so

708
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:11,780
unbelievably flawed you know are

709
00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:14,030
including so you have the lay man who

710
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:15,260
doesn't know what even the average

711
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:17,210
archaeologists know well anything that

712
00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:21,290
and on top of that to you have the you

713
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:23,270
know what they teach us in history class

714
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,570
which is no like you know the history

715
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:29,200
that they want you to learn in America

716
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:33,650
it totally one-sided you know it feels

717
00:29:38,740 --> 00:29:35,690
like its broad but they don't teach you

718
00:29:40,750 --> 00:29:38,750
anything so there's so so many flaws

719
00:29:44,049 --> 00:29:40,760
like our history is almost like the

720
00:29:46,390 --> 00:29:44,059
Bible in many ways where it's like it's

721
00:29:49,210 --> 00:29:46,400
a good story and things like this happen

722
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:49,220
but we don't really know what the facts

723
00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:51,890
are oh absolutely i mean let's look at

724
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,429
at the 80s i was in elementary school

725
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:56,720
christopher columbus was the european

726
00:30:00,760 --> 00:29:58,370
who found in america and his story and

727
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:00,770
then all of a sudden 90s it's Leif

728
00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:03,110
Ericson the Viking and at first it's

729
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,940
almost like an urban legend and it's

730
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:07,520
like Noah no he really did leif ericson

731
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:09,410
really found the new world before us and

732
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:11,809
the vikings in general were widely

733
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:14,720
populating northeast united states and

734
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:19,730
canada in the around 1000 AD era and

735
00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:22,100
then you find all sorts of other things

736
00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:24,760
there's there's no mounting evidence

737
00:30:29,950 --> 00:30:27,350
that the Minoans and the Phoenicians

738
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:29,960
were here from Phoenician anchors to the

739
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:33,230
Minoan mines up in Minnesota the copper

740
00:30:37,810 --> 00:30:35,390
mines where the copper from that area

741
00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:37,820
and it's very easy to trace the the

742
00:30:42,850 --> 00:30:39,980
content of a particular type of metal

743
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:42,860
and they found that the copper from

744
00:30:48,850 --> 00:30:45,290
those mines and Minnesota directly

745
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:48,860
matches the Bronze Age copper of which

746
00:30:53,289 --> 00:30:50,530
the Minoans were the biggest by far

747
00:30:56,770 --> 00:30:53,299
traders of the coppers pretty rare to

748
00:31:00,730 --> 00:30:56,780
find and the Minoans were an awesome CH

749
00:31:02,350 --> 00:31:00,740
civilization around 3500 BC and they

750
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:02,360
were trekking this stuff over from the

751
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,360
Americas and the copper content that the

752
00:31:09,090 --> 00:31:07,760
different elements in it were absolutely

753
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:09,100
exact

754
00:31:15,419 --> 00:31:12,070
to to uh that which was found in the

755
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,429
huge three billion ton mine in in

756
00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:16,960
Minnesota that was find out three

757
00:31:22,409 --> 00:31:19,630
billion tons of copper ore that we find

758
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:22,419
in all the different minoan traded goods

759
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:26,710
so was it yeah I we we have people come

760
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:28,570
typing in the chat room saying that it

761
00:31:34,830 --> 00:31:31,840
was michigan and south dakota was it

762
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:34,840
also minnesota or was it mostly mission

763
00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:36,730
do you know if you know no they're right

764
00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:40,270
it's Michigan apologize apology cool

765
00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:42,760
just just you know but if we don't

766
00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:44,980
fact-check everyone listening will say

767
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,080
absolutely no i got these i got the m

768
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:49,120
gate mixed up you are absolutely correct

769
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:54,130
listener so um okay so bringing us back

770
00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:55,809
to Atlantis in because i want to know we

771
00:31:58,890 --> 00:31:57,700
don't have much time to UM 20 minutes

772
00:32:00,570 --> 00:31:58,900
here i want to try and power through as

773
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:00,580
much as we can because clearly root out

774
00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:04,240
we need way more time um what happens so

775
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:06,400
the the fight that Atlantis fought with

776
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:09,640
the gods so to speak extras i can put

777
00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:12,580
together it is this thing that we're

778
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:13,780
doing to ourselves time and time and

779
00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:16,809
time again of war and you know greed and

780
00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:19,390
selfishness and wanting to kill one

781
00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:20,679
another and that's I mean where are we

782
00:32:23,310 --> 00:32:21,909
entering into that again are we good

783
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:23,320
just be going through this vehicle for

784
00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:26,169
the 8 millionth time no no for the first

785
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:28,390
time in forever we are not doing that

786
00:32:34,649 --> 00:32:32,230
world war one and two were uh the last

787
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,659
time we did that I mean humanity was at

788
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:37,120
a xenoc I mean there was a lot the

789
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:38,710
little known fact is that Europe which

790
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:40,900
was the power player at the time was was

791
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:42,970
becoming incredibly spiritually

792
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:44,890
empowered from everything from Rudolf

793
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:48,490
Steiner to in general mysticism uh you

794
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,110
know this is when Nostradamus really

795
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:52,240
came into play and I'm not saying no sir

796
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:53,679
thomas is an amazing person but the

797
00:32:59,159 --> 00:32:56,799
point is is that the the the idea of

798
00:33:02,130 --> 00:32:59,169
mysticism the idea not of religious

799
00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:02,140
spirituality spirituality but mystical

800
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:03,580
spirituality the belief of the

801
00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:05,650
empowerment of the individual in their

802
00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:08,200
consciousness and their soul uh you know

803
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:09,429
but you know just scientifically

804
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:11,289
speaking their consciousness which as

805
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:12,730
i'm sure you all know from quantum

806
00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:15,370
theory and the like physics has really

807
00:33:21,210 --> 00:33:18,460
empowered the idea of consciousness and

808
00:33:22,899 --> 00:33:21,220
and so many other elements health you

809
00:33:26,289 --> 00:33:22,909
know the Europeans at that air

810
00:33:28,539 --> 00:33:26,299
uh were so into health holistic healing

811
00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:28,549
and like this is when we have divided

812
00:33:32,979 --> 00:33:30,470
them in revolution you know I know some

813
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:32,989
people are not huge yeah you know

814
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:34,190
purveyor you know they've Eagle

815
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,570
necessarily believe in vitamin saw this

816
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:37,279
back off necessarily a specifics but

817
00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:40,190
I'll just say the fact is is that Europe

818
00:33:44,499 --> 00:33:42,200
during that period was ready to go

819
00:33:48,849 --> 00:33:44,509
through a huge period of mysticism of

820
00:33:51,609 --> 00:33:48,859
bodily health of of of not obeying the

821
00:33:54,099 --> 00:33:51,619
powers that be and and and all of a

822
00:33:55,989 --> 00:33:54,109
sudden were thrust into the ugliest

823
00:33:57,849 --> 00:33:55,999
period in humanity where people are

824
00:34:00,430 --> 00:33:57,859
slaughtering each other on math and

825
00:34:03,399 --> 00:34:00,440
having a mass dramatization of human

826
00:34:05,019 --> 00:34:03,409
consciousness so that it's very hard to

827
00:34:06,669 --> 00:34:05,029
think upon those things everyone comes

828
00:34:08,529 --> 00:34:06,679
home from war going I don't want to

829
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:08,539
think all i want to do is go to my job

830
00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:10,730
come home how the beer watch the game

831
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:13,730
and and now we were entering into that

832
00:34:18,669 --> 00:34:15,530
again we had the peace dividend after

833
00:34:21,419 --> 00:34:18,679
the Cold War we had wealth we had peace

834
00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:21,429
we had good feelings and all of a sudden

835
00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:24,500
comes along this period of extraordinary

836
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:26,740
terror which is embodied by the

837
00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:30,049
Terrorism era of post 9-11 just terror

838
00:34:35,289 --> 00:34:32,750
just who raised you all supposed to be

839
00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:35,299
afraid now it's orange it's red be

840
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:39,230
afraid be afraid negative negative and

841
00:34:43,629 --> 00:34:41,389
and we're absolutely heading towards

842
00:34:45,490 --> 00:34:43,639
there but thankfully for whatever reason

843
00:34:48,369 --> 00:34:45,500
whether it's the internet and the spread

844
00:34:50,279 --> 00:34:48,379
of beliefs or just the fact that you

845
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:50,289
know we would you know we're no longer

846
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,839
you know no matter how ugly America is

847
00:34:57,849 --> 00:34:55,760
in America is the power that be just

848
00:35:01,140 --> 00:34:57,859
like Europe was and world war one and

849
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:01,150
two America is in the end a nation that

850
00:35:07,089 --> 00:35:04,220
fought itself to get rid of slavery that

851
00:35:10,180 --> 00:35:07,099
has constantly trying to done the right

852
00:35:12,609 --> 00:35:10,190
thing for the downtrodden whether it's

853
00:35:14,170 --> 00:35:12,619
women or immigrants or the poor yes

854
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:14,180
there's at least a bad among us but in

855
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:16,250
the end America if you look at the

856
00:35:21,579 --> 00:35:18,920
history of nation states is very unusual

857
00:35:23,799 --> 00:35:21,589
and in fact I would say is completely

858
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:23,809
unique and this is what perhaps is

859
00:35:29,769 --> 00:35:26,750
sparing us uh we we have purged

860
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,779
ourselves from negative cultural things

861
00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:32,000
over and over again so that when the

862
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:34,220
time came that we were the powers that

863
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:36,770
be we resisted

864
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:39,140
the ugliness we resisted the propaganda

865
00:35:45,490 --> 00:35:43,670
and um you know as bad as the Terrorism

866
00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:45,500
era was under the previous

867
00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:48,470
administration I feel that it inoculated

868
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:50,750
us and now we've all looked we all look

869
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,250
back and no matter what side of the

870
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,800
aisle we're on unless you're very far on

871
00:35:59,800 --> 00:35:56,960
the side of the Nile the average person

872
00:36:02,190 --> 00:35:59,810
has to know that that was a weird era I

873
00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:02,200
mean a narrow ass evoke our emotion

874
00:36:06,190 --> 00:36:04,340
absolutely so your perception big

875
00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:06,200
picture then and this is taking a step

876
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,700
back and really looking at this from the

877
00:36:14,530 --> 00:36:10,400
bigger picture is that we are in

878
00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:14,540
actuality writing the course in such a

879
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:16,430
way that humanity has never quite

880
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:19,250
achieved yet and we're navigating new

881
00:36:25,870 --> 00:36:22,370
waters essentially that we may or may

882
00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:25,880
not be able to ultimately plow entirely

883
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,590
through but at the end of the day we are

884
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,560
somehow deep down inside it

885
00:36:35,470 --> 00:36:33,440
instinctually learning our lesson you

886
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,480
know at the end of it at the end of this

887
00:36:39,010 --> 00:36:37,040
Graham I mean this is this is a

888
00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:39,020
millennia this has been going on so

889
00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:41,150
happy so exciting it's an exciting time

890
00:36:45,610 --> 00:36:43,070
to be alive and that's that's a really

891
00:36:48,430 --> 00:36:45,620
positive thing to hear especially in

892
00:36:49,810 --> 00:36:48,440
light of all of the you know things that

893
00:36:51,970 --> 00:36:49,820
we mentioned at the beginning of the

894
00:36:53,350 --> 00:36:51,980
show then going on but are you know

895
00:36:57,070 --> 00:36:53,360
events that are happening that are

896
00:36:58,570 --> 00:36:57,080
seemingly fishy for whatever reason be

897
00:37:00,250 --> 00:36:58,580
at the Sandy Hook or be at the Malaysian

898
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:00,260
flight or things like that and and and

899
00:37:05,530 --> 00:37:03,050
how is it that i guess if even possible

900
00:37:06,910 --> 00:37:05,540
we can tie in those events that we're

901
00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:06,920
seeing happening to the conversation

902
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,360
we've been having for last half an hour

903
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:10,400
or so are these are these are these

904
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:13,610
attempts by the the ugly ones in power

905
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,940
to to sort of direct us back away from

906
00:37:20,860 --> 00:37:19,280
from these you know this path that were

907
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:20,870
on ER or how do you see it all working

908
00:37:29,050 --> 00:37:25,670
out together yeah I mean you know I am I

909
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:29,060
I fundamentally to sum it up because you

910
00:37:35,110 --> 00:37:31,460
know i could go on ad infinitum but to

911
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:35,120
sum it up in in a very succinctly what

912
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:38,210
you said it is the ugly powers that be i

913
00:37:45,550 --> 00:37:43,030
want to create can you hear me hello I

914
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:45,560
think mark might be having an issue just

915
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:47,230
keep going he'll figure his way back up

916
00:37:53,620 --> 00:37:50,570
okay okay so I was going to say

917
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:53,630
fundamentally I think it's it's trying

918
00:37:58,330 --> 00:37:55,700
to create ugliness you know killing uh

919
00:38:00,280 --> 00:37:58,340
you know as the Sandy Hook murderer did

920
00:38:03,010 --> 00:38:00,290
who by the way destroyed all of his

921
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:03,020
computer hard drives before he committed

922
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,290
his heinous act now I have to say that

923
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,000
that's one of the most bizarre acts of a

924
00:38:11,830 --> 00:38:10,160
man who's about to cook you know commit

925
00:38:14,020 --> 00:38:11,840
one of the most heinous crimes that

926
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:14,030
anyone could possibly imagine you know

927
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,130
trying to kill a bunch of uh you know

928
00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:18,320
kindergartners and like and he's going

929
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,390
to destroy his computers what what is

930
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:22,400
what could we possibly find on there

931
00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:24,410
that that he would be afraid of us

932
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:26,120
seeing when he's about to commit an act

933
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:28,970
like that very bizarre behavior you know

934
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:30,530
what did he not want us to see that goes

935
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:31,610
to what Mark was talking about earlier

936
00:38:35,470 --> 00:38:33,710
about triggers you know what could he

937
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:35,480
have been you know what could have been

938
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:36,710
coming to his computer that was a

939
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:39,410
trigger that then he needed as part of

940
00:38:44,860 --> 00:38:42,530
his you know his mission to destroy once

941
00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:44,870
he was triggered but anyway the point is

942
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:48,260
is that creating ugliness you know you

943
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:51,140
know what I'm a father and I went and

944
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,330
picked up my child and there was no kids

945
00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:55,040
at school once I picked up my kid and

946
00:39:00,040 --> 00:38:57,230
that happened all around this nation why

947
00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:00,050
because every parent in this nation was

948
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:03,380
terrified and regardless of rationale we

949
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:05,030
all went and picked up our kid that day

950
00:39:09,850 --> 00:39:07,910
because we were scared because when when

951
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:09,860
a man goes in and killed a bunch of kids

952
00:39:16,030 --> 00:39:13,520
in a school it terrifies every person in

953
00:39:17,590 --> 00:39:16,040
this country and that's what the ugly

954
00:39:21,490 --> 00:39:17,600
powers that be want to spread is

955
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:21,500
negativity is anger is terror that's

956
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:22,760
fundamentally what they want to do

957
00:39:27,490 --> 00:39:24,830
because that dramatizes the soul it

958
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:27,500
traumatizes the psyche in it in it in it

959
00:39:33,490 --> 00:39:29,990
disallows empowerment because it's very

960
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:33,500
hard to be Rene neck and and yet it's

961
00:39:36,820 --> 00:39:35,300
all based in fear and the spreading of

962
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:36,830
fear and I want to talk about fear but

963
00:39:40,510 --> 00:39:38,330
really quickly Rick we need to take a

964
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:40,520
short break and then when we get back I

965
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,450
want to jump right back into that

966
00:39:44,140 --> 00:39:43,040
concept of fear because that is the one

967
00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:44,150
thing that at the end of the day I

968
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:45,380
believe we are all here to learn

969
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:47,510
ourselves against into conquer you're

970
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,770
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971
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:50,960
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972
00:39:54,910 --> 00:39:52,940
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973
00:39:58,780 --> 00:39:54,920
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00:39:59,600 --> 00:39:58,790
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Wisconsin truth thunders radio on the

1043
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:00,839
inception radio network welcome back to

1044
00:43:04,729 --> 00:43:02,430
shoot spenders radio live on the

1045
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,739
inception radio network we are with Rick

1046
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:06,720
friar my name is our web at mark

1047
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:08,460
Schwartz is my co-host we've got about

1048
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:09,599
ten minutes left in this week's

1049
00:43:14,029 --> 00:43:11,970
unfortunately abbreviated program it has

1050
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:14,039
been one of the most fascinating

1051
00:43:17,299 --> 00:43:15,900
riveting and engaging compelling

1052
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:17,309
conversations I think we have had to

1053
00:43:20,509 --> 00:43:18,930
date I want to throw it out there very

1054
00:43:22,279 --> 00:43:20,519
quickly that we do have time to do one

1055
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:22,289
or two phone calls if any of you would

1056
00:43:29,989 --> 00:43:25,170
like to jump on quickly it is 8 8 8 and

1057
00:43:31,549 --> 00:43:29,999
9 192 355 once again 8 8 8 9 192 355 is

1058
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,559
the telephone number before we go to any

1059
00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:33,359
of your phone calls though I just want

1060
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:34,980
to quickly wrap up on the subject of

1061
00:43:42,019 --> 00:43:37,410
fear Rick and that really being the

1062
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,029
central kind of root in what it is that

1063
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:43,920
the ugly powers that be utilized to

1064
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:46,650
control us and fear being ultimately the

1065
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:47,970
end of the day the one thing that we are

1066
00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:50,700
on this planet challenged to overcome

1067
00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:51,960
and to look

1068
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:53,460
in the eyes and to tell itself to go

1069
00:43:57,859 --> 00:43:56,130
[\h__\h] off and walk right into it i mean

1070
00:43:59,500 --> 00:43:57,869
you know without trying to be too blue

1071
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,510
about it that really is the case

1072
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:02,160
absolutely I I could not agree more you

1073
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:04,890
something absolutely perfectly uh you

1074
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:06,359
know looking at it from a spiritual

1075
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:08,700
perspective our souls were put here to

1076
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:11,730
look it in the eye you you notice that

1077
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:13,980
they only say nice guys finish last and

1078
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,040
there is some truth to that because the

1079
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:19,680
the connotation with nice guys is that

1080
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:22,770
the cowards because the fact is yes you

1081
00:44:26,570 --> 00:44:24,270
have to be on the good side so you have

1082
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,580
to be on the side of love they also have

1083
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:28,800
to be on the side of power of courage

1084
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:31,770
you know love and courage those are the

1085
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:34,200
10 elements and confidence and belief

1086
00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:35,640
that good things will come to those that

1087
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:38,390
yeah that out there you know exactly

1088
00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:41,490
exactly and and that is how the universe

1089
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:43,320
tests you the universe does not just

1090
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:45,450
test you for being nice the universe

1091
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,940
tests you for being right which is nice

1092
00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:50,400
let's call that nice and on the side of

1093
00:44:55,099 --> 00:44:52,619
love on the side of goodness but also

1094
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:55,109
courageous also willing to stand your

1095
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:57,000
ground and not be walked all over and

1096
00:45:01,370 --> 00:45:00,420
and this you know plays out in every

1097
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:01,380
different way whether it's in

1098
00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:04,650
relationships or in in terms of

1099
00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:06,750
defending you know yourself physically

1100
00:45:13,099 --> 00:45:10,080
or of course on a larger level in terms

1101
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:13,109
of standing up for yourself against you

1102
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:15,480
know what I constantly fur as the the

1103
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:17,910
negative powers that be to see what

1104
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:21,770
they're up to and to say no longer uh

1105
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:24,300
you know that's just the way it is and

1106
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:25,980
to not give a damn what anybody else

1107
00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:28,020
thinks about you because yeah the day

1108
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:29,430
you need to stand up for what you

1109
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:31,140
believe in to be white which hopefully

1110
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:33,690
is the righteous thing and that a lot of

1111
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:36,450
the times is going to encompass going

1112
00:45:42,260 --> 00:45:39,540
against the flow of society and what you

1113
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:42,270
know ducking down into just the traffic

1114
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:44,670
pattern might be and blending in a lot

1115
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:46,410
of the times that courageousness and

1116
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:48,570
that and that facing a fear requires one

1117
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:51,540
to stand up and yell loudly that they

1118
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:53,099
were against whatever it is that they

1119
00:45:58,700 --> 00:45:56,040
see going on around them and that is one

1120
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:58,710
of the most influential and essential

1121
00:46:02,420 --> 00:46:00,839
elements of living a lifestyle like that

1122
00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:02,430
that that you can really point out I

1123
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:05,339
think and you male bill on ahead wanna

1124
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:05,940
break

1125
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,420
a little bit because we had so much

1126
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:11,040
stuff to cover on this episode but we

1127
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,000
didn't get a chance to do everything

1128
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:14,640
maybe just like a three or four minute

1129
00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:17,460
intro a little bit about what's going on

1130
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:19,619
right now read your books the keepers

1131
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:21,390
they deal a lot with biomimicry as we

1132
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:23,490
talked about earlier robots that are

1133
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:29,700
built to imitate animals and and the you

1134
00:46:34,339 --> 00:46:32,190
know from from hummingbirds and and

1135
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:34,349
warlike machines that are built to to

1136
00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:37,260
mimic you know modern day animal life

1137
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:39,780
because in some ways you know that's

1138
00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:42,329
that is the perfect life and so what's

1139
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:46,470
easy to use it to you know to the best

1140
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,190
abilities that we can you have there's a

1141
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:52,319
lot going on with DARPA right now and I

1142
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,910
know that you did a lot of research with

1143
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:56,640
DARPA for your book and at the time that

1144
00:47:01,520 --> 00:46:58,170
you are doing your research there was a

1145
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,530
robot called big dog which was a pack

1146
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:04,319
mule and it basically was a four-legged

1147
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:08,640
creature that could deliver supplies to

1148
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:11,940
two people in to our soldiers in

1149
00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:14,940
Afghanistan or you know go through snow

1150
00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:17,339
and go through desert landscape and no

1151
00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:19,470
matter what it encountered it was just

1152
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:21,540
these robots with four legs they look

1153
00:47:28,819 --> 00:47:24,180
like dogs like huge horses almost that

1154
00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:28,829
could walk and carry a carry supplies to

1155
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:30,740
the destination that they needed to go

1156
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:33,930
so now DARPA's building new stuff they

1157
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,300
just built a cheetah that can run like I

1158
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:38,400
don't know it maybe it's 75 miles per

1159
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,460
hour maybe yeah more um what other

1160
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:43,680
things Wildcat they coming up with ya

1161
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:45,690
what kind of research are you seeing and

1162
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:47,670
where do you see the future going with

1163
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:50,310
some of these creatures also I'd like to

1164
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:52,260
point out that google has just purchased

1165
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,050
DARPA which was kind of your line or

1166
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,079
hurt yeah yeah that I was very good for

1167
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:00,240
me um and so what do you think maybe

1168
00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:03,410
google plans to do with DARPA technology

1169
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:07,500
honest I i I'd o partner I saw i just

1170
00:48:12,859 --> 00:48:08,910
had owned us all because it seems like

1171
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:12,869
the day yeah um is that their purpose I

1172
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:15,200
don't know I gotta say it's a very odd

1173
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:19,770
acquisition needless to say but Google

1174
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:23,450
for me um I almost had this nation

1175
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:27,420
google has has made weird acquisitions

1176
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,770
before and has gone in two different

1177
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:30,660
places and it makes sense eventually

1178
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:32,490
such as the google maps and all that

1179
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:34,290
with satellites so i'm not going to say

1180
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:37,380
it is for sure conspiracy on there and

1181
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:40,170
what i will say is that it's the perfect

1182
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:43,770
storm for a terminator style Armageddon

1183
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:46,290
Skynet situation where if you know

1184
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,730
anything about how they're developing

1185
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:50,400
artificial intelligence you would know

1186
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,980
that they're finding that you there's no

1187
00:48:58,070 --> 00:48:55,440
program to make artificial intelligence

1188
00:48:59,600 --> 00:48:58,080
because guess what that's a program and

1189
00:49:01,340 --> 00:48:59,610
that's the opposite of artificial

1190
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,350
intelligence and consciousness there's

1191
00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:03,420
plenty of beans that are conscious that

1192
00:49:08,020 --> 00:49:05,190
not that aren't necessarily as

1193
00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:08,030
intelligent in a way in terms of

1194
00:49:12,830 --> 00:49:10,950
calculating concepts as a program that's

1195
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:12,840
not the relevant matters everything

1196
00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:14,280
under everything on the planet is

1197
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:16,350
conscious honestly be it wide berth like

1198
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:19,490
that yeah yes you know life life force

1199
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:21,780
goes through all things especially of

1200
00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:23,880
course the more more living it is from

1201
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:26,100
vegetative on and but but I would argue

1202
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:27,690
through everything because I agree with

1203
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:28,920
that because consciousness they're

1204
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:31,410
finding is a fundamental uh you know

1205
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:33,510
state you know physics is now

1206
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:35,160
understanding that more and more and

1207
00:49:41,780 --> 00:49:37,020
even perhaps as a particle relating to

1208
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:41,790
it but the the the thing is is that in

1209
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:43,500
terms of humans creating artificial

1210
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:45,930
intelligence a very advanced theory has

1211
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:47,850
been going on for at least ten years and

1212
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:50,610
and resonates with me is the idea of

1213
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:52,920
dating for instance it started with them

1214
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:54,300
saying you know what we gotta let them

1215
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:56,490
create their own program that's the

1216
00:50:00,830 --> 00:49:58,440
essence of free will and consciousness

1217
00:50:02,660 --> 00:50:00,840
is letting something generate itself so

1218
00:50:04,850 --> 00:50:02,670
what they created was all these like

1219
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:04,860
almost robot like partly insect-like

1220
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:07,230
little bug robots that could interact

1221
00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:08,910
with each other and had very basic

1222
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,190
programming but the programming enabled

1223
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:13,920
them to learn and and learn how to

1224
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:16,290
interact with each other and and how to

1225
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:18,210
learn from each other and how to pass on

1226
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:20,670
information because they think that

1227
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:23,010
there will be the singularity for lack

1228
00:50:28,220 --> 00:50:24,330
of a better word that that will be

1229
00:50:32,180 --> 00:50:28,230
reached that works will get up army Ray

1230
00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:32,190
Kurzweil exactly exactly exactly so

1231
00:50:36,180 --> 00:50:33,550
guess what now you got

1232
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:36,190
go got google which you know is is

1233
00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:40,240
seeing all this emotion and interaction

1234
00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:43,030
you know between human beings across the

1235
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:44,920
planet you know whether it's a chat room

1236
00:50:51,150 --> 00:50:48,220
whether it's uh you know everything else

1237
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:51,160
that's looked up on google and that's

1238
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:53,050
all being passed through some now

1239
00:50:58,110 --> 00:50:55,570
imagine some sort of virus or some other

1240
00:51:00,600 --> 00:50:58,120
may be purposeful program that makes its

1241
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,610
way into the servers and starts acting

1242
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:03,280
as an observer of some kind it's a

1243
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:05,950
perfect storm the idea the idea that a

1244
00:51:12,750 --> 00:51:09,730
search engine that has that has you know

1245
00:51:14,910 --> 00:51:12,760
uh the ability to see so much going on

1246
00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:14,920
in the world is the perfect state if you

1247
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:19,000
looked at advanced AI theory to become a

1248
00:51:25,890 --> 00:51:23,050
I itself and now hello wow I'm traveling

1249
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:25,900
what a good point I never considered it

1250
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:27,790
like that uh you know what honestly Rick

1251
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,940
I want to keep going on this so much but

1252
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:32,800
we are pretty much out of time here and

1253
00:51:34,980 --> 00:51:34,030
I don't want to just interrupt you in

1254
00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:34,990
the middle of a thought so i think

1255
00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:37,000
that's know how tall a good place to

1256
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,440
wrap but would you please consider

1257
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,000
coming back on within the next couple

1258
00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:42,880
weeks or shout this conversation of

1259
00:51:47,820 --> 00:51:44,920
course thank you as long as Markel

1260
00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:47,830
Abbott yeah absolutely and Rick can you

1261
00:51:51,810 --> 00:51:49,540
can you tell people or get people to

1262
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:51,820
link where they can find her website and

1263
00:51:57,210 --> 00:51:54,880
your book absolutely well in terms of

1264
00:52:00,080 --> 00:51:57,220
keywords you know you can find me on

1265
00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:00,090
amazon my my books are the keepers

1266
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:02,590
trilogy by Rick fryer now since I

1267
00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:03,910
released my books there's been a few

1268
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:06,520
keepers have come out funny enough so

1269
00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:08,530
often you have to look up the keepers

1270
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:11,230
fryer the keepers Rick fryer the three

1271
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:12,970
just you know individual books in the

1272
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:16,270
trilogy our world war three tribulation

1273
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:19,450
and armistice and yeah they're all under

1274
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:21,730
the keepers banner and I'm requiring

1275
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:25,810
friars fri AR let me ask you a quick

1276
00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:27,610
question here just in these last couple

1277
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:29,320
minutes are you familiar with michael

1278
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:33,130
tellinger in his philosophies at all I'm

1279
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:35,530
not actually somebody you'd might might

1280
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:36,850
be interested looking into Michael

1281
00:52:41,010 --> 00:52:38,170
challenger I think you would be very

1282
00:52:42,510 --> 00:52:41,020
fascinated by his stuff all right I look

1283
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:42,520
at me one last thing to I wanna say is

1284
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:45,310
Rick I want to come to your book

1285
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:47,410
signings when you do your next book

1286
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:49,690
sighing okay you got it i will

1287
00:52:55,319 --> 00:52:51,970
definitely you know make you aware and

1288
00:52:58,620 --> 00:52:55,329
you can you know send you an e-mail or

1289
00:53:00,990 --> 00:52:58,630
or uh you know shoot shoot a call to the

1290
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:01,000
studio great we will we will plan on

1291
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:02,609
talking to you soon my friends so don't

1292
00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:05,230
don't go too far we'll hook back up soon

1293
00:53:09,299 --> 00:53:07,780
I would very much appreciate that all

1294
00:53:11,250 --> 00:53:09,309
right thank you so much Rick at mark and

1295
00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:11,260
we're out of time for this week that was

1296
00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:12,700
a such a plan I need to go back and

1297
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,260
relist into everything we just discussed

1298
00:53:19,710 --> 00:53:16,720
because that was a Cavill avalanche of

1299
00:53:22,799 --> 00:53:19,720
information good lord what a fun fun our

1300
00:53:24,539 --> 00:53:22,809
wish we had more absolutely oh man it's

1301
00:53:27,029 --> 00:53:24,549
it's things like this it's like how do

1302
00:53:29,370 --> 00:53:27,039
you squash that into an hour's episode

1303
00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:29,380
have you squashed into even two there's

1304
00:53:32,579 --> 00:53:31,000
just so many tongues Oh indeed so we'll

1305
00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:32,589
get we need to do an extended episode

1306
00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:34,180
with our friend all right here listening

1307
00:53:37,049 --> 00:53:35,470
to true thunders radio live on the

1308
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:37,059
inception radio network my name is art

1309
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:39,010
web I'm with mark Schwartz listen live

1310
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:40,990
every Wednesday 6 p.m. pacific 9 p.m.

1311
00:53:47,819 --> 00:53:43,740
eastern any last words mr. horse uh